Fifa`s 6 + 5

[Assassin]

Interesting comments from Platini for a change
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Michel Platini has dealt a blow to FIFA president Sepp Blatter's hopes of winning support for rules to limit the number of foreign players by declaring the plan "completely illegal".

The UEFA president said he supported Blatter's objectives and will meet him on Wednesday for further talks but under European Union law the 'six-plus-five' proposal was unworkable.

"The objectives are very good, and I have said that many times," Platini said in Moscow. "However, they are completely illegal under EU legislation."

It is understood Blatter will now use FIFA's Congress later this month to gain backing for a mandate to pursue discussion on the six-plus-five rule rather than seek a change to FIFA's laws via the Congress.

Under Blatter's plan, each starting XI must have a minimum of six domestic players and a maximum of five foreigners. He has no plans to impose limits on the number of foreign players in a squad, however.

Platini added: "I will be having a meeting with Mr Blatter before the Champions League final about how he intends to deal with this matter at the FIFA Congress at the end of the month."

UEFA believe the way forward is through their licensing system, where clubs playing in European competition must have at least four players in the 25-man squad who have come through their academy and a further four trained at an academy within the same national association.

UEFA's system has fallen within EU rules because it does not judge the players on nationality, merely where they were trained.

[Guest]

It's unworkable and Blatter is seriously deluded. He's trying to resume Club football into International one, where country identity is strong. It's just not it.

[meffin]

it would make the premiership a ****e league, theres not enough good english to go around. however, maybe good young english are being overlooked behind good foreign players. who knows

[PTP]

The theory behind it is good, I can see what he is trying to do by bringing 'home grown' talent through in each country and as mentioned above bring some national identity to each team so when an english side plays and italian side it would be more England vs Italy.

But as stated it is totally illegal and the way blatter just goes about these sort of things is what really pisses people off. He is an arsehole who is so up himself and arrogant that he expects all his crazy dreams to just be implemented cause he thinks so.

Over the years how many mad cap ideas has this ****** dreamed and how many have actually been but in to use and worked!!! **** all i reckon yet this idiot still plays a major role in football!!! How???

[Guest]

The theory behind it is good, I can see what he is trying to do by bringing 'home grown' talent through in each country and as mentioned above bring some national identity to each team so when an english side plays and italian side it would be more England vs Italy.

But as stated it is totally illegal and the way blatter just goes about these sort of things is what really pisses people off. He is an arsehole who is so up himself and arrogant that he expects all his crazy dreams to just be implemented cause he thinks so.

Over the years how many mad cap ideas has this ****** dreamed and how many have actually been but in to use and worked!!! **** all i reckon yet this idiot still plays a major role in football!!! How???

But why would he want it that way when there's international football !!??

[PTP]

I remember posting an idea ages ago that I think would work well. The English FA make a rule where every match day squad has to have say two or three young(say 23 and under) english players in it, but at the same time extend the subs bench from 5-7. That way it won't effect the first teams to drastically but it would ensure that every team including the big four will be trying to develop/bring through some quality so they will have at least two players on the bench.

It then gives those youngsters the experience of being involved with a 1st team match day squad and there is a chance they might be used. eg - if your team is 3-0 up with 10mins to go managers may well be inclined to bring on the two youngsters.

[PTP]

But why would he want it that way when there's international football !!??

I have now idea? you would have to ask Blatter

Maybe he feels when he sees teams like Arsenal play in Europe without a single englishman in the team that he feels it's wrong - many many people in the world of football have given arsenal **** over that including many on this forum.

Maybe he is concerned with the lack of quality young talent coming through, not just in this country but across europe as the rule change would effect everyone.

Maybe he is just a cunt

[EwarWoo]

Anyone who thinks he's doing it for the good of the international game is deluded.

Blatter is a ****** and he can't stand anything English. Having 3 English teams in the CL semi's and humiliating the rest of Europe is something he was never going to stand for.

He knows it will weaken PL teams and that's why he's doing it.

He just happens to have caught onto a popular theme so his motives are not as transparent as usual.

[EwarWoo]

I remember posting an idea ages ago that I think would work well. The .....

I actually quite like that. At the very least would make teams hesitate before selling youngsters who have a chance of making it.

[PTP]

ay - i could imagine the majority of europe are pissed about that. The premier league is now looking the strongest in terms of quality, money/sponsership etc and now it's turning into success, ie liverpool winning the CL and getting to another final, arse getting to a final and now the mancs and chelsea.

The rest of europe are ****ting themselves and wont want to be left behind. In reality there is prob only Ac Milan, Real Madrid and Barca (maybe inter) who can compete in terms of size/stature/quality. Us, Utd, Chelsea and Arse are getting stronger and stronger - barca and milan need complete overhauls. As it stands now - would ou bet against another english team being in the champions league again next year, and the year after etc - european competition could quite easily become dominated by the english teams for the next 5 years or so.

[Dessy]

ay - i could imagine the majority of europe are pissed about that. The premier league is now looking the strongest in terms of quality, money/sponsership etc and now it's turning into success, ie liverpool winning the CL and getting to another final, arse getting to a final and now the mancs and chelsea.

The rest of europe are ****ting themselves and wont want to be left behind. In reality there is prob only Ac Milan, Real Madrid and Barca (maybe inter) who can compete in terms of size/stature/quality. Us, Utd, Chelsea and Arse are getting stronger and stronger - barca and milan need complete overhauls. As it stands now - would ou bet against another english team being in the champions league again next year, and the year after etc - european competition could quite easily become dominated by the english teams for the next 5 years or so.

So true. Blatter's agenda's is not about improving international teams or encouraging homegrown talent to the fore its about money and the PL's continuing success and dominance in this respect.

[dww]

I remember posting an idea ages ago that I think would work well. The English FA make a rule where every match day squad has to have say two or three young(say 23 and under) english players in it, but at the same time extend the subs bench from 5-7. That way it won't effect the first teams to drastically but it would ensure that every team including the big four will be trying to develop/bring through some quality so they will have at least two players on the bench.

It then gives those youngsters the experience of being involved with a 1st team match day squad and there is a chance they might be used. eg - if your team is 3-0 up with 10mins to go managers may well be inclined to bring on the two youngsters.

To be fair the bench has been expanded from next season. Unfortunately there were no age restriction involved. There was a thread on here at the time it was approved and I said i thought that it was a mistake. Most people were just happy to see the bench size increased though.

I think for once Platini is going the right route with the licensing/training criteria. It would add to club identities potentially as well as furthering the aims of the wider political forces in football. It is also much less likely to have a big effect on teams as the top teams are already facing this in Europe.

[Guest]

Another article from the deluded Blatter in the Guardian this morning.

How does he think it's gonna change things and improve competition !!?? Clubs would still have the same purchasing power and within these rules will find a way to dominate, eventually !!! What if a club possesses the best foreigners and the best home grown players.!?? He's really deluded FFS.

Foreign player quotas in place by 2012, says Blatter

'We've had confirmation by all the confederations, including Europe, that everybody favours the objectives of the six-plus-five'

* Richard Aikman and agencies
* guardian.co.uk,
* Tuesday May 27 2008
* Article history

Sepp Blatter, Fifa president

Blatter is pressing on with his plans for foreign player quotas. Photograph: Greg Wood/AFP/Getty Images

The Fifa president Sepp Blatter is confident that his controversial 'six-plus-five' rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season after the plans received the backing of key members of Europe's football hierarchy.

Blatter, in Sydney for Fifa's annual congress, said rules restricting the number of foreign players that each club can field could be in place from the start of the 2010-11 season, beginning with a maximum quota of seven foreign players. He expects it to grow to six plus five by 2012-13 and claims the plan has the backing of European delegates to Fifa's executive committee.

Blatter pointed to the Premier League's dominance in this season's Champions League as a reason why his organisation must implement the idea, despite legal concerns from the EU and Uefa president Michel Platini.

Stressing that Fifa would proceed "within the limits of the law", Blatter said: "It is to make sure that there is better balance in the competitions and not only three or four teams in a league of 18 or 20 are fighting to be the champion and all the others are just there to not be relegated.

"As [Newcastle manager] Kevin Keegan recently said: 'I can only start my season to fight to be fifth or sixth or seventh. It is impossible for me to go into the final four'. At the end of the Champions League in Europe you have in the quarter-finals four teams of the same association; in the semi-finals three of these teams. Then in the final you are surprised that you have two teams of the same association? We want to bring some remedies and this is the six-plus-five rule's objective."

Blatter emerged from a two-day meeting of Fifa's executive committee convinced that the proposal would be accepted when the congress votes on it later this week. "The executive committee unanimously supported the proposed resolution concerning the six-plus-five rule," he said. "We've had confirmation by all the confederations, including Europe, that everybody favours the objectives of six-plus-five.

"I'm convinced, now the confederations are in favour of such a proposed solution, it is a possibility. But we should do it not [with] confrontation but in discussions to try and find a solution. We would start, step by step, with four plus seven in 2010 and then 2011 five, then 2012 six."

Blatter received a preview of his vision for the future when Manchester United won the Champions League fielding a team featuring several Englishmen. "We've just seen Manchester United's starting XI in Moscow with six players eligible for the English team on the pitch," he said.
"And they won. Not bad."

[EwarWoo]

Another article from the deluded Blatter in the Guardian this morning.

How does he think it's gonna change things and improve competition !!?? Clubs would still have the same purchasing power and within these rules will find a way to dominate, eventually !!! What if a club possesses the best foreigners and the best home grown players.!?? He's really deluded FFS.

Love the fact he is commenting on it being about balancing the domestic league too then in the same article point to the scum as an example.

Rio - 30m
Rooney - 31m
Hargreaves - 17m
Carrick - 18m

Yeah, of course, all teams can afford to overpay like that. It's not going to just make English players even more expensive and widen the gap even further. What a cunt he is.

[Exiled_red]

This is just a thought but what happens if you have a kid coming through the reserves at an English club that is eligaible to play for England or Scotland, Ireland, Wales etc at the moment the kid can choose which national team he wants to represent. Now it's going to be to his benefit to choose to make himself eligable to play for England as he will more than likely want to spend his entire career in England (most British players do IMO) and he'll get more games because of it. But this would then have a detremental effect on the Scotland, Ireland, or Wales national teams.

Personally I'm not bothered about international football but just thought it was a view worth considering